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Info-Atari16 Digest         Wed,  5 Jun 91       Volume 91 : Issue 316

Today's Topics:
                    Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
                 Color monitor replacement? (2 msgs)
                        Hard-drive on a 520ST?
                 Looking for only_ste demo on floppy
                          More than 4 Meg ??
                             My stupidity
                  Reading IBM and ST disks. (2 msgs)
                             Umich atari
                          USENET Mail Order
        v15INF3: Unpacking binaries (and retrieving old ones)
                   Wanted: Hard Disk or  DS Floppy

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Date: 5 Jun 91 12:52:54 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.a
 delaide.edu.au![e-mail] (Matthew Baker)
Subject: Atari HD hostadapters/drivers.
To: [e-mail]

From article <meulenbr.676019481@cstw163>, by [e-mail] (Frans
 Meulenbroeks):
> Ok. Since Claus is too polite to promote his own software.

A true net.gentleman!

> If you can read German, be sure to get the book and the software.
> It is definitely worth every pfennig. If you want a good
> set of disk utilities, and you do know something about disks,
> you might also get the book, just for the software.

This sounds great - Here in Oz I have nowhere to get it (I can read German
like a martian can kiss, not well, but I grok it.) - any o/seas addresses
I can write to? (Claus?)

> I think the software is very, very good. You won't really need
> the book to use the software, but it explains several things
> in some more detail. A good buy for around $ 50,-- (if you
> can find it of course).

Dare I ask, does he use english in his s/w?? :)

> Frans Meulenbroeks        ([e-mail])
>       Centre for Software Technology

Frans, I notice (gasp) that you work for Philips... I have this thing
called a PTS-6000. If the name rings a bell, can you email me?? tnx.

Matthew

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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:21:59 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!paperb
 oy!osf.org![e-mail] (David Brooks)
Subject: Color monitor replacement?
To: [e-mail]

Well, my venerable 1986 Goldstar ST color monitor just became terminally
tired.  My dealer wants $230 for a new one.  Of course, I haven't been
paying attention: is this a fair price?  Any pointers to mail order?
--
David Brooks                            [e-mail]
Systems Engineering, OSF                uunet!osf.org!dbrooks

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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:34:33 GMT
From: haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU![e-mail]
 (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: Color monitor replacement?
To: [e-mail]

Definitely by all means and most assuredly buy the Magnavox 1CM135
monitor instead of the SC1224.  It has 97% as good a picture; but can
also work with IBM clones (CGA), AND has a VCR input jack, so can double
as a TV (thru the vcr); a very very GOOD tv (very high resolution).

It also has the sound running off a separate RCA jack.  This can be
routed to the stereo instead of the TV, greatly increasing the ST's
sound quality.

Costs about $300 (your dealer friend may be less) + a custom cable
(cable available from Redmond Cable, Redmond, WA.)
Good luck!

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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:17:58 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w
 isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!holmes.acc.Virg
 inia.EDU![e-mail] (Lauren C. Howard)
Subject: Hard-drive on a 520ST?
To: [e-mail]

Can a hard-drive (spec. Megafile 30) be used with a stock 520ST?
Will there be enough memory left to run WordPerfect? Timeworks DTP?

Why are the Megafile 30's being sold off so cheap right now?  I know
they're discontinued; but is there anything wrong with them?  Are
they upgradeable?

[e-mail]

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Date: 5 Jun 91 01:52:42 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!west!grapevine!water.fit.qut.edu.au@
 arizona.edu (Steve Amor)
Subject: Looking for only_ste demo on floppy
To: [e-mail]

I can't unpack the only_ste demo because I only have a floppy drive.  Can
someone mail me a floppy with the demo already installed?

Reply to [e-mail].

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Date: 5 Jun 91 13:16:19 GMT
From: mcsun!inesc!unl!unl![e-mail] (Salvador Pinto Abreu)
Subject: More than 4 Meg ??
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Dave Gymer) writes:

        [...]

   Question is, what would you do with more than 4 meg on an ST running TOS (or
   MiNT). I've yet to exhaust 4 meg (even with GCC, MGR, and BASH. Emacs coming
   soon... :-)

Aha! Once you start using Emacs you'll know what to do with more than
4M. Besides, it would come in handy for use with Minix.
--
-- Salvador Pinto Abreu         [e-mail]
                                Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL

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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:47:28 GMT
From: ucla-se!turing![e-mail] (Plinio Barbeito)
Subject: My stupidity
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Lehmann) writes:

>I have a problem though.  The sozobon files have directory names that
>I want to keep.  If I use the novice "zoo -extract" command, all of the
>files are retrieved without pathname.  I looked at the man pages and
>tried the followin command:
>
>    zoo {x}[//] d:\term\download\sozobon1.zoo

I think the equivalent novice command for extracting full pathnames is

zoo -restore yourzoofile.zoo

By now, of course, you have probably figured out how to use x//...


plin
--
----- ---- --- -- ------ ---- --- -- - -  -  [e-mail]
PAra-NOia will DEStroy-YAAaaa...

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Date: 5 Jun 91 14:32:47 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis![e-mail] (Giving C News a
 *HUG*)
Subject: Reading IBM and ST disks.
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] writes:
> I remember hearing that START magazine had published information on how
> to make disks formatted on the ST (?) so that they can be read on IBM
> compatibles as well as the ST.  This was supposed to be done by altering
> three bytes somewhere on the disk.  Do any of the readers know of this
> information?

The best solution is to get TOS 1.4 or later, or a copy of Neodesk, or a copy
of DC Format. All three will format IBM-readable disks with no problem.

There are also countless other PD utilities to make pre-1.4 ST disks
PC-readable.

Alternatively, just format the disks on the PC.


mathew



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Date: 5 Jun 91 01:53:02 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!topaz.ucq.edu.au![e-mail]
Subject: Reading IBM and ST disks.
To: [e-mail]

I remember hearing that START magazine had published information on how
to make disks formatted on the ST (?) so that they can be read on IBM
compatibles as well as the ST.  This was supposed to be done by altering
three bytes somewhere on the disk.  Do any of the readers know of this
information?  I tried looking back through what issues I have of START but
couldn't find the info and am afraid that it is in an issue I have not
bought.

What sectors/bytes have to be changed?


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Chris Johnson                    :   "I have made this letter long than usual
Final Year B.App.Sc (Computing)  :     as I lack the time to make it short."
"Just another student"           :                    - Blaise Pascal
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Date: 5 Jun 91 18:07:51 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!nstar!sy
 scon![e-mail] (Mike DeMetz)
Subject: Umich atari
To: [e-mail]

Anyone know what happened to [e-mail] server?
I have gotten no reponse to requests in about 2 months.

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Date: 5 Jun 91 19:38:41 GMT
From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu![e-mail] (Mark
 Choi)
Subject: USENET Mail Order
To: [e-mail]

Well:
        It is finished... . Reprinted below is the opening letter from my
catalogue. So as not to rankle anyone, the actual catalogue will not be
posted here, at least not by me. I hope that this letter is acceptable.
I don't see any reason for it not being so. I apologize to anyone who
gets upset though. I post it here, as I have not yet finished compiling
my mailing list yet. I have all your names, but I need to get them into
a format with which I can do a group mailing, so I do not have to send
each one out by hand. ASAP, though. If anyone else wants on, send me
e-mail, and I will sort you out from the flood and put you one the list.
Man, this is getting time consuming for a hobby! :(
        Anyway, so here it is:
O.K.:
        Hi out there. I just finished the damn news brief, and unlike my
original intent, it did turn out to be a catalogue. I am not one to call
a spade anything other than what it is, so, this is the Damn Catalogue.
Why that title. It took me hours (days) of boring tedious work, strained
my eyes, and almost drove me nuts. I compared prices with the ratail,
and with "real" mail order houses, to try to get you folks the best
deals I could muster. I spent eons staring at increadibly small type,
went through vials of eye drops, and I learned some things. #1.
ComputAbility has really good prices. #2. Damn, the mail order folks
have low margins! Sometimes I was not able to go lower, othertimes, I
even have to pay more than them! I do think that in general you will
find that this is a good service for you, with the lowest prices you can
get. Why else would I do it? Well, here are the specifics. Everyone
seems to want me to start this as a real business, do it full time or
something, hire staff, etc. There have been lots of calls for accepting
credit cards, shipping overseas, doing periferal stuff, like music
equipment, and other big time requests. Remember the spirit of this,
though! I am a socialist! :) I have no intention of going into the
retail business, as I find it immensly boring. This is not my job, but a
favour. I saw how dealers were dropping like flies, how there were no
more big glossy magazines in which the mailorder houses could advertise,
and generally a complete inability for many of you to get Atari stuff,
and I saw a chance to help out, with some connections I had made back
when I WAS concidering being an Atari dealer. But this is just a hobby.
I can not make the promises of the big folks, I can not provide as
timely of a response. But I WILL TRY to do my BEST. So... I am looking
into the possibility of accepting credit cards, but at the moment, it
will have to be money order, cash or personal check (I am not
responsible if you send cash of course :(   ). I will see about overseas
shipping, but I will have to talk to my bank about how it would be
arranged, all that stuff about checks drawn on US funds and such, but I
think I can work it out by the end of next week, if I get the time. Now,
shipping will cost $3.00 for most software orders, regardless of
quantity. So if you buy 15 things, it's still $3.00. I would prefer it
if you did buy in groups, as the prices of many things, especially of
the games are such that I may take a loss on many single purchases with
small orders. I can do this sometimes, if there are a lot of multiple
orders. This is because I have to order a minimum amount not to be
charged an additional fee. So, if one person orders a lot, or several
folks order less, I'll be O.K.. Here's keeping my fingers crossed. On
hardware, it will depend on the weight, as I refuse to do some sorta
percentage thing, and make money on the shipping too. The only one who
will make out from the shipping is UPS, or Fed Ex (yes, I will next day
air, for a bit more!). What is this handling charge BS anyway? Shouldn't
that be included in your prices? Why profit twice, except to make your
prices seem lower? This has always irked me. Anyway, I'll have to see
about overseas shipping rates. If there is something that you want that
is not here, I can probably get it. This is by no means a comprehensive
list (what, you think I'm nuts?) and so just e-mail me if you want
something else. My real time number is [phone] if you need to
have it. What you want me to get an 800 number too. Man you DO think I'm
crazy! (But it would be sorta cool to have my own 800 number though.
Hmmm... .) O.K., lastly, I have not gotten the new edition of my
pricelist, never mind typos, so some of these prices could be wrong. I
doubt anything will go up. If anything, they will go down. I think just
about all of it is right, though. But if something seems just too crazy,
like DEGAS Elite for 15,000.00, then drop me a line, and I'll fix it,
and give you the real price. And if someone is selling it for less, tell
me, and I'll look into it. So, with no further ado, here it is:




                                love ya all
                                -mark-

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Date: 4 Jun 91 19:43:00 GMT
From: exodus![e-mail] (Steven Grimm)
Subject: v15INF3: Unpacking binaries (and retrieving old ones)
To: [e-mail]

Submitted-by: [e-mail] (Steven Grimm)
Posting-number: Volume 15, Info 3
Archive-name: unpack.cooked








             HOW TO USE COMP.BINARIES.ATARI.ST

                      by Steven Grimm

                 Last update: June 4, 1991




_✓1.  _✓W_✓h_✓a_✓t _✓a_✓r_✓e _✓b_✓i_✓n_✓a_✓r_✓i_✓e_✓s?

     Binaries are files that contain information other  than
normal  text.   Usually,  a binary that is posted to the net
will contain executable (program) files.  Binaries are  dis-
tinct  from _✓s_✓o_✓u_✓r_✓c_✓e_✓s, which are the human-readable text files
that are interpreted by  a  computer  and  used  to  produce
binaries.   Sources  can  be modified with relatively little
effort, and are usually pretty easy to read.   Binaries  are
not intended to be viewed by a human.

_✓1._✓1.  _✓U_✓u_✓e_✓n_✓c_✓o_✓d_✓i_✓n_✓g

     The programs which transfer network news messages  (and
electronic  mail)  are not always capable of handling a pure
binary file.  They are designed to handle textual  messages,
and the odd symbols and characters in a binary cause them to
become confused, and often to mangle the binaries.  To avoid
this  problem, a method called _✓u_✓u_✓e_✓n_✓c_✓o_✓d_✓i_✓n_✓g is used.  Uuencod-
ing translates a binary file into text characters,  so  that
the  news  and  mail  transport programs won't mess up.  The
disadvantages are that uuencoded files are about 30%  bigger
than  the raw binary files they represent, and that you have
to go through one extra step to get the binaries to work  on
your computer.

_✓1._✓2.  _✓A_✓r_✓c_✓h_✓i_✓v_✓e_✓s _✓o_✓r "_✓a_✓r_✓c _✓f_✓i_✓l_✓e_✓s"

     Usually, a program will need more than one file to work
properly.   The extra files might be data files, help files,
or maybe some instructions for the user.  In order to easily
package  multiple  files together in one binary file, a pro-
gram called "arc" (short for "archiver") is used.  Arc  also
compresses  all  the  files as it packages them, so that the
arcfile take up less disk space  (and  takes  less  time  to
download!)  than  it  would if its contents were just thrown
together.

     To confuse matters even more, two new archive  programs
called  "zoo"  and  "lharc"  can also be used to achieve the
same effect.  Zoo is  superior  to  arc  in  some  respects,
slightly  inferior  in  others, as is lharc.  Unfortunately,
you can't unpack a zoo archive with arc or  lharc,  or  vice
versa  (arc  and  lharc are similarly incompatible with each









Using Binaries                                           -2-


other.)

_✓1._✓3.  _✓U_✓S_✓E_✓N_✓E_✓T _✓a_✓r_✓t_✓i_✓c_✓l_✓e_✓s

     The USENET has groups designed especially for transmis-
sion  of  binary  files.   They are usually called something
like "comp.binaries.x," where x is the type of machine  that
the programs will run on.  For Atari ST owners, the group to
watch  is  comp.binaries.atari.st.   Most  of  the  binaries
groups  (including  the Atari binaries group) are _✓m_✓o_✓d_✓e_✓r_✓a_✓t_✓e_✓d,
which means that you can't send a program directly to every-
one  on  the  network.   Instead,  you send it to someone in
charge of the group (the _✓m_✓o_✓d_✓e_✓r_✓a_✓t_✓o_✓r),  who  makes  sure  that
your program works and contains the proper documentation (or
that the lack of documentation is announced), and that  it's
in  the  correct  format  to  be sent out to the rest of the
USENET.

     One of the restrictions of the USENET is that  articles
can  only  be  a certain length.  If a binary is longer than
that, it must be split up into several parts, each no longer
than  45000 bytes or so.  This introduces yet another obsta-
cle to people who want to transform the articles into a use-
ful  form,  but  it  can't really be helped until the USENET
starts  running  much  more   advanced   news   transmission
software.   Also,  some  particularly  long  programs may be
posted over the course of several days;  otherwise  the  net
would  be  overloaded with lots of huge messages, and people
would complain.

     USENET binaries are grouped into _✓v_✓o_✓l_✓u_✓m_✓e_✓s, each contain-
ing  about  100  articles.   This is to make life easier for
people who are trying to keep track of which  articles  have
been  posted.   When  a new volume is started, the moderator
will usually post introductory articles, including a list of
previously published articles.

_✓2.  _✓H_✓o_✓w _✓d_✓o _✓I _✓g_✓e_✓t _✓b_✓i_✓n_✓a_✓r_✓i_✓e_✓s?

     There are two ways to get binaries: first,  by  reading
the  USENET  newsgroup  comp.binaries.atari.st; you will see
new articles within a week (usually much less) of  the  time
they  were  sent out by the moderator.  If, for some reason,
your site doesn't receive comp.binaries.atari.st, or if  you
want  to  look  through  previously  posted  articles,  site
twitterpater.eng.sun.com has all the binaries stored in  its
archives.

     The other way to get binaries is to request  them  from
twitterpater's archive server.  The archive server is a pro-
gram that intercepts incoming mail messages  and  looks  for
commands inside them.  You can tell it to list the available
binaries, give you help,  or  send  whichever  files  you're
interested  in.   The requested files will be mailed to you.









Using Binaries                                           -3-


One thing to be  careful  of  is  that  multi-part  postings
aren't  placed  in  the  archives until all their parts have
been sent out to the USENET at large.  This  is  to  prevent
people  from  requesting all 99 parts of a program the first
day it appears, thus overloading the net and  defeating  the
purpose of piece-by-piece posting.

     To find out more about the archive server, send a  mail
message    containing    the   word   "help"   to   archive-
[e-mail].  Talk to  an  administrator
at  your  site  if  that  mail address doesn't work.  If you
don't get any response from the archive server within a  few
days,    something    may    be    wrong;    mail   archive-
[e-mail] to report the problem.

     There  are  other   archive   sites,   too,   such   as
terminator.cc.umich.edu;    they   contain   most   of   the
comp.binaries.atari.st software as well as  some  additional
programs  that  have  not  appeared  on the newsgroup.  Some
sites, such  as  terminator,  also  offer  something  called
"anonymous  ftp"  if  you're  on  the  Internet.   Say  "ftp
terminator.cc.umich.edu",   and   if   you   connect,    use
"anonymous"  for  a  username, and your username for a pass-
word.  See the ftp  documentation  at  your  site  for  more
information.   A  recent,  but  possibly  incorrect, list of
alternate archive sites appears at the end of this  article.
Please send me mail if you know of any that aren't mentioned
here, or if my list is incorrect.   Note  that  twitterpater
does  not  offer  anonymous ftp, as it's on a network that's
segregated from the Internet.

     Twitterpater also offers an "auto-index"  service,  for
people  who  don't have access to the USENET groups.  If you
request autoindex service, you will receive  copies  of  the
archive-server's  index  files  for the binaries and sources
groups whenever new files are added.  Note that if your site
gets  comp.binaries.atari.st, requesting autoindex is point-
less and a waste of net bandwidth.  Send mail to  autoindex-
[e-mail] if you'd like to sign up.

_✓3.  _✓H_✓o_✓w _✓d_✓o _✓I _✓d_✓e_✓c_✓o_✓d_✓e _✓t_✓h_✓e
 _✓b_✓i_✓n_✓a_✓r_✓i_✓e_✓s?

     As stated above, turning binaries from USENET  articles
into a more useful form can be a multi-step process.  At the
least, you will need the uudecode program;  it  is  standard
software on most UNIX|✓- systems and is available in a  couple
of forms on the Atari.  Versions for other operating systems
do exist, and can certainly be written with  little  effort.
Arc  is  available for UNIX and other operating systems, but
is not standard software.  In any case,  you  will  want  at
least arc on your Atari.
_________________________
|✓- UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories.










Using Binaries                                           -4-


     A version of uudecode written in ST BASIC is  available
in  twitterpater's  archives (see above).  It is in volume 1
of the comp.sources.atari.st  directory  (note  that  that's
_✓s_✓o_✓u_✓r_✓c_✓e_✓s  and  not binaries).  Once you have that, you should
get the files "arc," "arcdoc," and "uucode" from volume 1 of
the  binaries  directory.  They contain the arc program men-
tioned earlier, its documentation, and a much better, faster
version of the uudecode program.

     Use the BASIC  program  to  uudecode  the  two  encoded
files;  then  use  arc  to  unpack  the  better  version  of
uudecode.  (Arc is documented in "arcdoc.")   Note  that  if
you're  reading news/receiving mail on a computer (such as a
UNIX system) that already has uudecode, you can skip most of
this;  you  will  probably  just want to uudecode arc there,
then download it (using kermit,  xmodem,  or  your  favorite
transfer  protocol  -  consult your site's administrator and
your Atari communication package's  documentation  for  more
information.   Remember  to use binary mode when downloading
arc files!)

     So far, everything has been small enough to fit in  one
piece,  but  you will almost certainly want to try something
larger eventually.  The Atari "uud"  program  (whose  source
code,  also  suitable  for  compilation  on UNIX systems, is
available in the  sources  archive)  is  capable  of  easily
decoding  multi-part  uuencoded files.  Near the top of each
part (except the first) will be a line like

        begin part c foobar.uac


     Rename each file (except part 1,  which  can  be  named
"part01" or just about anything else) to the name at the end
of this "begin" line, in this case "foobar.uac".   Then  run
uud  on the file containing part 1; it contains instructions
to cause uud to look for the other parts.   If  you  have  a
text  editor or a UNIX style cat program, you can just stick
all the parts together in order and run uud on the resulting
(big)  file;  it  will  try to go on in the first file if it
can't find the next part in a separate file.  Note that  uud
won't  warn  you  if  it's  overwriting an existing file, so
don't give any of the parts the same name as the file that's
being extracted from them!

     On UNIX systems, you can also say (for  instance)  "cat
part* | uud -" without renaming anything.

     If you don't have uud or would prefer  to  decode  your
binaries  on  your  larger  news  computer, the procedure is
somewhat more complex.  Plain vanilla uudecode doesn't  know
about  multi-part  uuencoded  files,  so you have to fool it
into thinking that everything is in one part.  First,  stick
all  the  parts  together  (using  cat  on  UNIX).  Edit the









Using Binaries                                           -5-


resulting file.  Now remove all the extraneous lines of text
in  between  the  parts  --  this includes mail headers, any
text, lines of the form "include foobar.uad," "table"  lines
and  the  lists  of  characters  following them, and "begin"
lines other than the one at the beginning of part  1.   Once
you  have  converted all the parts into a big uuencoded mass
(with no blank lines!), the regular  uudecode  program  will
work.

     Obviously, this is  something  of  a  hassle,  and  the
recommended procedure is to try to install uud on your large
computer.  You'll usually want to  minimize  the  amount  of
data  you  have  to  send  to  your Atari, since you'll most
likely be downloading it at a relatively low speed, and  the
uudecoded .arc file is the smallest thing you can download.

     Zoo is available from the archives.  It  is  simple  to
use; refer to the documentation included in zoobin.arc (yes,
you need to use arc to extract zoo!) for  more  information.
The  uudecoding  process  is the same for zoo and arc files.
Lharc is also available.

     Most  archives  contain  documentation;  refer  to  the
instructions in a specific program for usage information and
the like.  If you have problems with a  particular  program,
send  mail  to  the  submitter  (listed near the top of each
part.)  The moderator doesn't have time to become very fami-
liar with all the programs that are posted, so the submitter
will probably be much more helpful.


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     Note: I have not verified these, so this  list  may  be
wrong.   Mail  servers  usually  respond  to the word "help"
alone in a mail message.  Some of the sites listed below may
not  contain  full  archives  of comp.binaries.atari.st, and
some may have other files.

Address                         Type      Comments
D'l |1752u 0'
wuarchive.wustl.edu             ftp,nfs
ux.acss.umn.edu                 ftp       TeX, GNU
atari.archive.umich.edu         ftp       Mail server may also exist
him1.cc.umich.edu               ftp       cd to pc7: directory
dsrgsun.ces.cwru.edu            ftp       GNU and Minix archives also
xanth.cs.odu.edu                ftp
slug.pws.bull.com               ftp       comp.sources.atari.st only
archive-server@
     twitterpater.eng.sun.com   mail      Official archives
[e-mail]     mail
unido!archive-server            mail      European archives
st_requests@
     n6vbg.hamavnet.com         mail      Dialup access at [phone]
[e-mail]    uucp      Ask your site administrator

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Date: 5 Jun 91 17:41:21 GMT
From:
 noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu
 !news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu![e-mail] (Christian Kurrer)
Subject: Wanted: Hard Disk or  DS Floppy
To: [e-mail]

I would like to buy a
-Hard disk drive or an
-external DS Floppy disk drive
for the Atari ST.

Any offers, also for other peripherals and software (no games), would be
welcome.

Christian Kurrer
217-244-6914 (w)
217-332-2788 (h)
[e-mail]

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